Mar 10 2009
Vee Have Vays of Making You Talk- Confessions of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
Once again the corporate media is running the confession of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed up the flag pole to see who salutes. Well, let’s have it. Let’s hear the sordid details. To begin with how did he arrange loading the Trade Center buildings with explosives? And don’t give me that crap about how explosives are “conspiracy theory” nonsense. Look at the fuckin video, if you don’t see demo squibs you’re blind as a bat. If KSM was the mastermind, give us his story, or does the story change when you take the wet towel off his face? The whole 9/11 story is unadulterated bullshit. I’m not suggesting I know what happened, I’m just saying the “official story” is unsupportable. And if KSM is talking well put him in public and let’s see how his story matches up to the 9/11 commissions story. The commission who didn’t see fit to mention the inexplicable collapse of a 48 story steel framed building. The commission who told us on page 275, that, FBI agents had detailed info of the coming attacks and HQ ignored them. It’s worth a quote on this one…9/11 Commission Report pg 275 paragraph 2;“There was substantial disagreement between Minneapolis agents and FBI headquarters as to what Moussaoui was planning to do. In one conversation between a Minneapolis supervisor and a headquarters agent, the latter com=plained that Minneapolis’s FISA request was couched in a manner intended to get people “spun up.”The supervisor replied that was precisely his intent. He said he was “trying to keep someone from taking a plane and crashing into the World Trade Center.” The headquarters agent replied that this was not going to happen and that they did not know if Moussaoui was a terrorist”
You have got to be shitting me… Was the FBI HQ agent Dave Frasca? Does his incompetence explain his promotion secondary to his blunder?
Even if you believe the official story of the events of 9/11 there is NO DOUBT that some people fucked up. Air Defense, with over an hour from the 2nd trade center being hit, they still failed to defend the Pentagon!!!! The mutha fuckin pentagon! Someone dropped the ball, why have they not been called on the carpet? Obviously the commission report shows someone at the FBI fucked up big time? Why have they been promoted? Heads should have rolled over this incident. But only promotions followed. And the administration tried to hang the entire failure on the FAA who is the only organization who seemed to be doing their job… Hmm. Enough with this bullshit, if the government has the mastermind let’s hear it, put an end to “so called conspiracy theories” and give us some corroboration of the “official conspiracy theory”. If, any such corroboration actually exists.
Exactly. I don’t pretend to know what happened, I don’t know the first thing about taking down a building. I do know that those buildings fell at free-fall speed, that the steel columns sticking up out of the rubble were cut at an angle, just like in a controlled demolition, and that the story they give us is incorrect and inconclusive.
Aside from that, it’s mostly theories that you hear and there are a lot of conspiracy theories about the subject. I look for facts, and try to read between the lines.
Fact - NORAD successfully rendezvoused with all 67 off-course planes within 15 minutes in the previous year. On 9/11 multiple planes evaded NORAD for over 80 minutes.
Okay something sounds kind of fishy there right? Well guess who, for the first time ever in the history of our country, was in charge of NORAD that day? The Vice President, Dick Cheney. Well shucks, shoot me in the face.
Fact - There has not ever been a steel building collapse due to structural fires before or after 9/11. In fact, the WTC architect designed the building to withstand multiple impacts from airliners.
Fact - The man who owned the buildings bought a modified insurance policy a year later to include the buildings being covered for terrorist strikes by airplanes.
Fact - The Bush administration claimed no one in the government could have known or suspected that the terrorists would hijack airliners and use them as missiles. Funny since he got a report on that very subject weeks before 9/11. Even Pakistan gave us warning it was about to happen! Multiple countries did.
I don’t know what exactly went down on 9/11 - I just know they’re not giving us the truth.
skwguitar,
It’s funny that they never considered hijacked planes being flown into buildings but the war games that were taking place on the 11th included that very thing… Yeah I really don’t know what went down but I would like to know… But then I’ve been branded a “conspiracy theorist”, I guess that happens when you wont accept that Lee Harvy Oswald brought down the twin towers by his self.. .
with a magic bullet no less…
Fact: The top ten floors were not built with reinforced structural steel to save time and money.
Fact: the building was rated for a 737 strike. The planes that hit the building were almost twice as large.
Fact: Jet fuel is not just Kerosene it has detergents and additives that make it burn hotter, and more efficient right at 1000 degrees.
Fact: It is true that the steel will not melt at 1000 degrees, but it will de-temper, and begin to bend.
Fact: The building fell at free fall speeds because of physics. The thousands if not millions, of tons of debris falling from the top down turned the concrete into dust on impact.
The “Explosions” you saw on the way down had to do with the air pressure inside the building trying to escape. The weakest part of the structure was the windows where you saw dust and debris explode out of the building.
Fact: The “Loose Change” video that you are quoting failed to explain the chemical make up of the Thermite which they used at the end of video as their smoking gun. Now where would I be able to find some Iron Oxide? Hmm Maybe on the steel structure of the building? And where would I be able to find some Aluminum? Hmm Maybe THE PLANE! And a spark… I need a spark… maybe the raging jet fuel fire. Thermite burns at about 10,000 degrees, that’s hot enough to turn steel into vapor.
Maybe just maybe some pissed off Muslims hijacked a couple of planes and flew them into buildings. How’s that for a conspiracy theory?
OH by the way. The PDB that has been hot news for the last 8 years said that Muslims were planning on hijacking planes to blow up over major cities. It said nothing about actually using them as weapons.
One more thing, KSM bragged about being the guy who masterminded the 9/11 attacks, the reason he was waterboarded, was because he didn’t want to give up information on the details of the next attack. We got the information, and stopped the attack that was described in the PDB. Which was to hijack planes, and blow them up over American cities.
Well, I guess you guys decided to team up on me-fair enough. I never called either of you “cospiracy theorists”. I said I thought you were, at times, conspiriatorial minded. In the cases you have brought up; I am in complete agreement. However, I must bring up one point.
As a retired construction supervisor who has worked on more than one high rise; I can assure you that an impact such as the ones received by the towers can indeed cause a freefall. If the planes had hit 15-20 stories below-there would have been no freefall. The higher the impact; the more stress is placed on the base columns, resulting in a freefall. That being said; I believe there are a great amount of unanswered questions and questuionable actions (promotions, Cheney) that need to be accounted for. Truce???
lol tailback I got no issues with you and dont mean to team up on you.. but maybe you could explain the physics of how the steel below the impact offered no resistance? Are you sugesting that the guys who built those buildings were clueless? Because they claim they were designed to survive an impact from a jet…And any explination of what happened to WTC7 would be cool… I mean I read the NIST report and its laughable..Remember the NIST would have us believe that all 3 buildings fell because of fire not from the impact.
I don’t profess to be an engineer but I do have considerable experience in building and supervising the building of high rises. I don’t see how the fire would have explained it but I can offer this plausible explanation aside from the one mentioned earlier. If a corner column kicked as a result of the impact; this would result in each lift slab style floor to drop to the one below it. This cycle would continue until the weight became so great that a freefall would occur. I am not saying this is what happened but it certainly is a possibility. Steel structures are contingent on all beams and columns remaining level and plumb. All it takes is one corner to kick and the the preceding is what can occur. Witness the L’Ambience Plaza in 1987 in Bridgeport, CT. I was involved in the attempt at finding some of the bodies as members of my Local were involved. I, too, find the NIST explanation to be a joke. Someone was covering someone’s ass. As far as the guarentee of the building being able to sustain an airplane impact; pay little attention to that nonsense. Guarentees like this are commonplace in the business since the chances are so remote of it actually happening. That would explain the NIST explanation. Peace Brother.
webdemon,
Fact; I did not quote loose change so you are just wrong. (I have no intentions of defending “loose change” I didn’t find it that compelling.)
Fact; A steel framed skyscraper has NEVER fallen down from a fire, except on 9/11 then it happened 3times.
Fact; WTC7 was not hit by a plane.
Fact; FBI HQ was informed prior to 9/11 that WTC was a target for hijacked planes.
Fact; I only scratched the surface of the problems with the official story of 9/11.
Finally, the explosions (demo squibs) I referred to are well below the collapse level and are small jet like tubes of smoke that one can seen in almost any implosion video. Strange isn’t it that a collapse should cause identical smoke expulsions from ‘collapse pressure’ as are caused by demo charges. It was not “dust and debris” blowing out the windows. Maybe you haven’t watched the video closely but when a window blows out it does not make a small tube of smoke and the windows near the “charges” I am referring to were in tact so again you’re wrong.
As for you claims about KSM, were you in Gitmo? Oh, that’s right the government told us what you’re saying… So it must be true.
@tailback - Buddy believe me I have no issues with you either. Now as for webdemon…
OK let’s go through this… The controlled explosions that you refer to always go from the bottom up for control, and to ensure that the building collapses completely. Yes the debris came out well below the collapse sites, and there is a reason for that, physics. The pressure from the falling debris pushed the air and the dust down through the floors, and the elevator shafts. Each section (ABOUT 5 FLOORS) is pressurized to equal the ground air pressure. That air and dust had nowhere else to go but out the windows. Yes I have watched the video, in slow motion, several times.
You are absolutely right the government was warned of the 9/11 style attack, but that was in 99 under Bill Clinton When the FBI took this information too him, and wanted to pick up the NY cell that was later responsible for the attacks, he was quoted as saying “We don’t want another Waco.”
WTC7 is a completely different beast in it’s self. The pictures that they show you are of the rear of the building, and it looks almost untouched, but if you can find one, get a hold of a picture of the front of that building and you will see that WTC7 is was nearly destroyed from the other two buildings falling on it.
And, one more thing, I did work in GTMO, but that was in 95 when the Cubans were there. Campomento CHARLEY. I’m a former Marine, so I don’t believe anything that the government tells me. I have to watch, listen, and read A LOT to get my information.
I don’t claim to be an engineer either. These are the reports from other engineers. I am a metallurgist though, and I melt, and bend steel every day with fire. Got something that you need fabricated? I’m your man. Rule #1 Aluminum + Steel = bad juju.
webdeomn,
I will keep you in mind for all my metal fabrication needs. But not for reading comprehension.
1st lets just say that every builiding being brought down with explosives is unique, they each have their contingencys that have to be dealt with so as for the explosions going botom to top, debateable. But again you did not address why we are looking at small tubes of smoke that exploed out and I repeat the windows were in tact it was a small explosion with smoke NOT DEBRIS maybe watch once more. Because I doubt you are seeing what I am talking about since you keep refering to the windows, plus a couple of the explosions are more like 10-15 floors below the collapse level. To call them the result of pressure is untendable. Not to mention that numerous explosions were reported that day, including explosions in the sub-basements of the buildings just prior to the collapse.
Also, I guess you didnt read what I said, because I was not refering to a warning given during the Clinton administration but ‘warnings’ given in late August and early september of 2001 just before the attack, a warning given by an FBI supervisor who had Moussaoui in his custody and had his lap top computer with details of the attack on the mutha fucka. That is specific info, and in intel work specificity is the halmark of quality info. FBI HQ dismissed him like a child. I think it was Dave Frasca who droped the ball at HQ but Frasca was promoted and not reprimanded..WTF he made the biggest miss he could have made and they promote him??? I think not… You say being a marine taught you not to trust the government, so why are you standing so firm on such a bad story? Plus, and I hate to say it, but you sound like a bright guy, can you really not see the value of this as a false flag opperation? It’s HUGE!
Finally, check this out http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_firefighters.html
Scroll down to “Firefighters shocked by a loud explosion.” just one of many tidbits. But I dont want to bore you. Look Im not saying I know what went down Im saying the official story is horse shit and there are plenty of engeniers and architects who are also asking for a better explination than the NIST has given us… Shoots thanx again for playing. I never get tired so give me all you got brah.
If You tell me that 9/11 was a fund raising operation, in collaboration with al Qaeta… I can believe that. But, George Bush could not keep anything a secret because of all of the people that hated him, even inside his own cabinet. If George Bush had prior knowledge of an impending attack on this nation, and had anything to do with that operation, it would have been front page news. I direct you to Bill Mahre Who said plainly “George Bush couldn’t have had anything to do with 9/11, because it actually worked.” I stand firm on that because the best man at my first wedding, and the best friend I have ever had, was with the president that day, and he gave me the behind the scenes of that day. His wife was screaming and in tears when I called her, because the plane that hit the pentagon flew right over her house. Johnny the guy standing next to Jason at my wedding was in the stock exchange when the buildings came down. That day was the scariest day for me. I have been shot at, I have been in places no one ever wants to be in, and I have had to ponder my own mortality. But that day was the worst, because I was worried about my two best friends in this world. Had Jason not drawn duty on Air force 1 on 9/11, he might not be with us today.
P.S. Are you in Cali or Hawaii?
Demon, Brah,
Bill Mahre? I don’t see how his opinion is relevant..? Fund raising opperation? Are you trying to confuse me? Look, I think these type of opperations are like onions there are many layers. I don’t think its as simple as saying was GWB involved or not. I mean really, Bush is a talking monkey in a suit and or cowboy hat. Cheney was running the country. I’m sorry I also dont understand the significans of your fear or your friends. I mean I dont mean any disrespect but I don’t get what your trying to say. No one on Airforce One was killed? I mean you just lost me. Sorry if im being stupid,